{"id":1184147,"date":"2020-05-13T11:57:53","date_gmt":"2020-05-13T16:57:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.kereport.com\/?p=71131"},"modified":"2020-05-13T11:57:53","modified_gmt":"2020-05-13T16:57:53","slug":"insights-from-listeners-wed-13-may-2020","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/?p=1184147","title":{"rendered":"Insights From Listeners &#8211; Wed 13 May, 2020"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Regarding M&#038;A in the PM Sector &#8211; This Comment From Excelsior Should Be Read<\/p>\n<p>I really appreciate all the comments (which have been very civil and informative recently &#8211; at least on the market segments) and I always take time to read over as many as I can. Unfortunately I have been far too busy to respond but please know that I am still reading over them and learning a lot from all of you. <\/p>\n<p>This comment last night from Excelsior I wanted to highlight. It was posted on my interview with Dave Erfle and addresses M&amp;A in the metals space. <\/p>\n<p>Thanks for the well thought out comment Ex! <\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote\">\n<p>Cory &amp; David E.  \u2013  Interesting discussion the topic of  mergers but I\u2019m looking at things much differently than you guys are,  and see the influx of mergers as a very positive thing for the mining  sector for a few key reasons.<br \/> 1) As you mentioned we\u2019ve needed to see a Consolidation in the space  and many of these mergers (even at market with no premiums) are doing  just that.  <br \/> So whether it was the Major consolidations we saw last year like  Newmont\/Goldcorp, or Barrick\/Randgold, or Pan American Silver\/ Tahoe  resources,  or these Mid-Tier Producer mergers like  Equinox \/ Leagold   or   SSR Mining \/ Alacer they are reducing the sheer number of companies  to form larger ones.   That is a huge plus for the space, and focuses  investor money on a smaller audience of players in the production space.<br \/> __________________________________________________________________________<br \/> 2)  We discussed mergers and acquisitions on this blog so many times,  and we\u2019ve pointed out over and over again that this is misplaced notion  and fantasy that the \u201cMajors\u201d are going to take over \u201cJr Explorers\u201d and  pointed out that almost never happens.   <br \/> > One of the only examples I can think of is when Kaminak was  taken over and that was an anomaly, where the big boy overpaid for a  deposit with many unknowns, and it wasn\u2019t the smartest transaction.  <br \/> >>  If the Majors taking over Jr Explorers was so common then  we should be able to list off dozens of these transactions from each  year.  Here is the rub\u2026 that simply doesn\u2019t  usually happen, so you guys  are going to need to adjust your expectations there.  You guys are  looking for the takeovers in the wrong areas if you think most explorers  are the primary targets of the big boys.<br \/> >> In contrast, every year there are over a dozen Take-Overs of  distressed Producers, Single-asset Producers, or unloved and forgotten  Developers.   That is the M&amp;A sweet spot, and the companies to  target to get in front of M&amp;A activity if you want to be on the  receiving end.<br \/> ____________________________________________________________________________<br \/> 3)  Lets start with the Producer takeovers:<br \/> > Look at what we just saw with the recent announcement the  takeovers of distressed producers like SEMAFO, Alio Gold, TMAC, and  Guyana Goldfields, or bolt-on single-asset producers like the takeover  over Detour Gold by Kirkland Lake.  Everyone knew SEMAFO, Alio Gold,  TMAC, and Guyana Goldfields were struggling, and everyone knew Detour  was a cash cow that would eventually get taken over by a Major.<br \/> \u2014->  That\u2019s the recipe you are looking for!! <br \/> >> Think back to the takeovers that stick out from the last few  years (beside the Mega Mergers of Majors)  and they are NOT Majors  taking over Explorers.  They are either really advanced Developers near  production, or more often bolt-on producers for the Mid-tiers that  acquire them:  Newmarket Gold, Claude Resources, Lakeshore Gold, True  Gold Richmont, Klondex, Detour, Metanor, Marlin Gold, Avnel Gold,   Avesoro Resources, Rye Patch Gold, Primero, etc\u2026 <br \/> >>> We had discussed all of those older takeovers BEFORE  they actually happened and I was in all of those just prior to  takeovers, (except Claude, because I had sold out too soon before they  got grabbed).  The reason why is because they were so obvious as  targets. <br \/>   In the late summer of 2017 someone asked who we felt the next  takeover targets would be and I said (RIC) Richmont and (KDX) Klondex  would be next.  I got immediately chastised by 2-3 prominent posters  there saying they were both struggling and garbage and why would anyone  want those dogs.  Well (AGI) Alamos Gold acquired (RIC) Richmont 2  months later [and Monarch got some of RIC\u2019s properties as well],  and  (HL) Hecla acquired (KDX) Klondex n March 2018.<br \/> \u2014>  I reposted that thread for those posters to see it all grouped  together once the news broke, and it was crickets from them\u2026..   Those  takeovers were hiding in plain sight and almost everyone was too  conditioned to look for only the \u201cbest of the best\u201d, and simply could  not imagine that it was really the \u201cBest of the Worst\u201d that the larger  producers wanted.<br \/> > Another example:<br \/> In 2017 over at ceo.ca e were naming who we felt the next West  African takeover would be and I threw out (AVK) Avnel Gold, and most  posters nearly threw up at the suggestion.  When Endeavour Mining  announced they were taking out Avnel Gold, many posters there wrote me  in private messages \u2014 stunned that they were grabbed before so many  others.  I responded back that the big boys like good deals too, and can  take a good asset and operate it much better than Jr developer or  producer can.<br \/> >>  So to recap:   Either there are:<br \/> (A) quality assets in a distressed company that a big boy feels they can run better or<br \/> (B)  there is a company just finishing up a turnaround, and when the big  boys sense they are ready to finally make money then they pounce.   (like what just happened to Alio)<br \/>  Those are the kinds of companies investors should be searching for  if they want takeover premiums, and not the hottest cult stocks of the  moment.<br \/> >>>>  Here are a few distressed producers or high quality  Single-asset Producers just begging to be taken over right now to  augment a larger producers production profile:<br \/>     (AKG) Galiano [formerly Asanko],  (HRT) Harte Gold,  (NEE)  Northern Vertex, (HUM.L) Hummingbird Resources, (ROXG) Roxgold, (ANX)  Anaconda Mining,  (SAM) Starcore International, (SGI) Superior Gold,  (TRY.AX) Troy Resources, (NGD) New Gold, (MML.AX) Medusa Mining, (MND)  Mandalay Resources, (TXG) Torex Gold, and (WGX.AX) Westgold.<br \/> _______________________________________________________________________________<br \/> 4) The other group that is primer for takeovers are the advanced  Developers with known deposits, clear economic studies done at lower  Gold prices, that are even more economic today.   This is why Gran  Columbia is taking over Gold X Mining right now.<br \/> In the past years there have been regular takeovers of attractive  Developers like Reservoir Minerals, Dalradian, Continental Gold, Gryphon  Minerals, NewCastle Gold or unloved and forgotten developers,  Barkerville Gold, Golden Reign, Savary Gold, Beaufield, Merrex Gold,  Kiska Metals, Anfield Gold,  Pershing Gold, etc\u2026<br \/> \u2026 or how about the failed attempts at taking over Dolly Varden, or Maritime Resources?<br \/> >>> There are about 100 Advanced developers that seem likely  to be takeover candidates in the Gold space, because at one point they  will be developed into mines. <br \/> A few that come to mind are Marathon, Minera Alamos, Sabina Gold  &amp; Silver, Orezone, Osisko Mining, Treasury Metals, Triumph Gold,  West Kirkland, Probe Metals, Orca Gold, Bonterra, Novagold, Seabridge,  Bluestone Resources, Gold Standard Ventures, Falco Resources, Midas  Gold, Corvus gold, Maritime Resources, etc\u2026. There are a lot of them,  but they have been derisked, will get revalued higher as metals prices  rise, and have the takeover aspect as a kicker and liquidation event to  exit one\u2019s position into.<br \/> ____________________________________________________________________________<br \/> 5)  There are investors that are in the companies doing the  acquiring, and investors in the companies getting acquired, and there  are positives and negatives for both groups in any acquisition.    <br \/> > To only look at it through the lens of wanting to get a great  premium in the company being taken over, and getting disappointing if  they are just 40-60% premiums at the share prices lows is kind of a  \u201cglass half empty\u201d approach.  Yes, everyone loves a good takeover of a  company moving steadily higher, because the M&amp;A deal is the icing on  the cake, but sadly that is now how most producers buy.  Most want a  deal and want to pick off good assets when there is blood in the  streets, just like investors do.  As a result, many takeovers come when  the company being acquired is swirling the drain.   <br \/> >>  With many of these distressed companies, there are  investors that get in right before the merger, for just the very reason  of getting positioned before the big boys go shopping.   One of the  sub-sectors I look for is the \u201cBest of the Worst\u201d  where there is a  quality asset that is a dog and I buy when there is blood in the street  and over and over have had nice scores doing this, or have caught a few  turnaround stories if they dig themselves out of the hole.<br \/>    I got in when things looked bleakest for Richmont, Klondex, New  Market Gold (via the predecessor Crocodile Gold),  Metanor, Lake Shore  Gold, Corex, Avnel Gold, etc\u2026 so when the premium came, it was a nice  score.  I actually had just gotten in TMAC for the same reasons about a  month before this merger, but jumped back out because I felt they may  have a dillutive financing or go bankrupt, but it was the right idea.<br \/> No, long suffering shareholders don\u2019t get rewarded in those  transactions, unless they averaged down, but they were the same people  that held a loser for years so that is on them.   The takeover premiums  don\u2019t go to folks like that, but to the bottom fishers. <br \/> Example:   If someone held onto Guyana Goldfields from $8 down to  $.80 then I have little sympathy for them that the takeover premium  didn\u2019t make them whole.<br \/>    Instead of looking for the bloated and often overpriced best of  the best, more investors should be researching companies with flaws that  are wounded, that other larger producers believe they can take over and  do a fixer upper.   Those are the ones to bottom fish, and that is not  without risk, but the odds are much higher  a bigger fish will eat them.<br \/> _____________________________________<br \/> >>> Lastly, there are investors in the larger companies,  that are doing the acquisitions, that are thrilled to see their  companies doing a great deal and reel in a win.  I\u2019ve often celebrated  when a good management team picks off the weak and wounded for pennies  on the dollar as it really solidifies that new larger company.  When  Equinox picked off the mine from New Gold on the cheap that was a great  deal for them, but not for New Gold.  That is the nature of a buyer\u2019s  market and no different than real estate or collectibles, or any other  asset class that someone gets a great deal on. <br \/> > Example:  That is how I felt up until this week about (SVM)  Silvercorp making the initial offer to nab (GUY) Guyana Goldfields on  the cheap.  I was happy they were getting such a steal, but it appears  they have now been outbid by Gran Colombia.  Still there is the  excitement of knowing you just got a deal, that was overlooked in your  comments today.* <br \/> >> Another Example:   When Primero (P) was being raided,  at  the time I was pissed in how it was going for them, but I also owned  McEwen Mining (MUX) that scooped up Black Fox, Argonaut (AR) that  gobbled up Cerro del Gallo, and First Majestic (AG) that got San Dimas.    All 3 of those producers  MUX, AR, and AG won big by being the  acquirer and I was proud of those management teams for picking up good  assets at a good price. *   <br \/> >>> One more example:   I was freaking thrilled when (USAS)  Americas Gold &amp; Silver picked up Pershing Gold for a song and a  dance, and nobody challenged them.  That was a huge score, as they are  now showing, and at the time people belly-ached that it wasn\u2019t a good  deal for long-suffering Pershing shareholders.  Who gives a flip about  investors that sat in a sinking ship for years.  I was thrilled to be on  the side grabbing the good asset, because I believe in the team at USAS  and knew they\u2019d get it developed and into production and they have. *<br \/> *** That is the great side of these acquisitions that are being  missed if you only look at the takeover premiums for companies getting  poached.   The other side of the equation is all the gains the acquiring  companies are getting by doing the acquisition.        <\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Regarding M&amp;A in the PM Sector &ndash; This Comment From Excelsior Should Be Read<br \/>I really appreciate all the comments (which have been very civil and informative recently &ndash; at least on the market&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":20,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"site-sidebar-layout":"default","site-content-layout":"","ast-site-content-layout":"","site-content-style":"default","site-sidebar-style":"default","ast-global-header-display":"","ast-banner-title-visibility":"","ast-main-header-display":"","ast-hfb-above-header-display":"","ast-hfb-below-header-display":"","ast-hfb-mobile-header-display":"","site-post-title":"","ast-breadcrumbs-content":"","ast-featured-img":"","footer-sml-layout":"","theme-transparent-header-meta":"","adv-header-id-meta":"","stick-header-meta":"","header-above-stick-meta":"","header-main-stick-meta":"","header-below-stick-meta":"","astra-migrate-meta-layouts":"default","ast-page-background-enabled":"default","ast-page-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"ast-content-background-meta":{"desktop":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-gradient":""},"tablet":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-gradient":""},"mobile":{"background-color":"var(--ast-global-color-5)","background-image":"","background-repeat":"repeat","background-position":"center center","background-size":"auto","background-attachment":"scroll","background-type":"","background-media":"","overlay-type":"","overlay-color":"","overlay-gradient":""}},"footnotes":""},"categories":[4144,362,2668],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1184147"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/20"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1184147"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1184147\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1184148,"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1184147\/revisions\/1184148"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1184147"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1184147"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/juniorminingnews.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1184147"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}